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2015-12-24

by shaenon on December 24, 2015 at 12:01 am
Chapter: Looking Glass Land
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  1. B
    December 24, 2015, 12:12 am | # | Reply

    Ooh someone remind me about the rules for political discussion here, I think we’ll need them.

    • DarkStarling
      December 24, 2015, 12:42 am | # | Reply

      I have no idea, but expect that they can be summarized by “try not to be a jerk” and “remember that people who disagree with you are not evil”.

      Alternatively: Read your post aloud to yourself and see if your mother would approve :p

      • woozy
        December 24, 2015, 12:53 am | # | Reply

        Oh, Trump hating doesn’t count as political opinion. It’s just human decency.

        • greenknight32
          December 24, 2015, 6:17 am | # | Reply

          True, but that doesn’t mean his supporters are evil. Insane, maybe…

          • CanuckAmuck
            December 24, 2015, 7:52 am | #

            Well, as far as supporters go, Trump gets ringing endorsements from neo-Nazis groups. Really.

            https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=neo+nazis+support+trump

            Now I understand all his supporters aren’t like that, because you can’t pick your allies, but still, in light of this, Trump’s non-nazi supporters maybe have to ask themselves the question made popular by the Mitchell and Webb sketch…”Are we the baddies?”

          • GammarayCanon
            December 24, 2015, 9:59 am | #

            As an evil and insane person, I am hurt that you’d compare me to a Trump supporter. The word you’re looking for is “stupid”.

          • Robert Nowall
            December 24, 2015, 1:43 pm | #

            Of course you guys are all models of sanity and behavior, aren’t you?

        • SVGeezer
          December 24, 2015, 10:48 am | # | Reply

          All these Trump comments and not one “SCHLONG ” reference. Is that a good sign, or a bad one?

          • Robert Nowall
            December 24, 2015, 3:30 pm | #

            Too bad Nick Zerhakker doesn’t post here.

        • Gyrre
          January 6, 2016, 9:48 am | # | Reply

          Considering just how flip-floppy he is, it’s a wonder he has supporters at all.

          Now if only all of the people who regularly don’t vote (but legally can) would vote 3rd party, we could be rid of both the Republican and Democratic parties.

      • BrokenEye, The True False Prophet
        December 26, 2015, 10:18 pm | # | Reply

        Well, some people who disagree with me are evil. Take Donald Trump. And then once you’ve taken him, bury him under twenty-three miles of titanium-reinforced cement beneath the wastes of Siberia where he can do no harm.

    • Ogden Wernstrom
      December 24, 2015, 2:41 pm | # | Reply

      I have no idea either. But as someone who has a nasty habit of getting drawn into political arguments, I’m glad to not see them here, and I’m glad for the tone that results, so I will stay out. (I usually end up arguing against my own side of the fence. I talk to them more, and I have a traitorous habit of disputing false claims regardless of their tactical value. An amazing number of people believe that if you dispute a claim meant to help The Cause, it must be because you’re the enemy, not just because the claim is false. Of course, that attitude goes a long way to explaining why nonsense proliferates so easily in the first place.)

  2. Kyle Rudy
    December 24, 2015, 12:14 am | # | Reply

    It’s like Candide, but backwards.

    • DarkStarling
      December 24, 2015, 12:43 am | # | Reply

      I don’t know, wouldn’t that be finding out that despite this being the ‘worst possible world’ it’s impossible not to see good things in it?

      Actually, that has been born out in the story a little hasn’t it. Hmm, worth thinking in.

    • Frank
      December 24, 2015, 1:03 pm | # | Reply

      So… it’s edidnaC?

    • davidbreslin101
      December 24, 2015, 1:44 pm | # | Reply

      …. in which young Candide’s travels around the world are guided by Dr Kierkegaard?

  3. Alphaghoul
    December 24, 2015, 12:15 am | # | Reply

    Trump became president? Well that explains pretty much everything.

    • DarkStarling
      December 24, 2015, 12:44 am | # | Reply

      I do so hope Sweetheart dealt with the respected former president in the same manner as her respected creator.

      • Jon
        December 24, 2019, 2:49 am | # | Reply

        I like the way you think.

    • oneuniverse2
      December 24, 2015, 1:54 am | # | Reply

      Was the Trump presidency the cause or the result of the situation?

    • AimlessPolymath
      November 10, 2016, 12:09 pm | # | Reply

      Guess what.

      • NeurolinguisticPancakes
        September 12, 2022, 4:22 pm | # | Reply

        You don’t even want to know.

  4. datasstrophe
    December 24, 2015, 1:10 am | # | Reply

    This strip is going to look so quaint in three years when [REDACTED]

    • Kona
      December 24, 2015, 10:10 am | # | Reply

      (Cue ominous music.)

    • AimlessPolymath
      November 10, 2016, 12:09 pm | # | Reply

      Guess what.

    • demigod163
      August 29, 2017, 1:35 am | # | Reply

      Surprise!

      • violetrook
        November 27, 2018, 3:36 pm | # | Reply

        🙁

        • Zero
          October 23, 2020, 11:49 pm | # | Reply

          *External screaming*

    • soft
      August 9, 2019, 10:16 am | # | Reply

      I had forgotten about this strip…

    • Adept Arcanist
      June 28, 2020, 1:59 am | # | Reply

      did you REALLY have to jinx us like that…?

  5. Pygar
    December 24, 2015, 1:46 am | # | Reply

    Now, now, remember the Sliders episode with a mention of “President Ed Wood”? At first you guffaw, then think, “maybe that’s what he was good at!”… The thought of Trump as President is disquieting; the thought of any other available Big Two candidate winning, gives me a cold chill… Good election for third parties, anyway. I won’t hold my nose to vote for a Big Two candidate, and I won’t be alone.

    • Mental Mouse
      December 24, 2015, 8:16 am | # | Reply

      Have you forgotten the lesson of Nader 2000? Any votes for a third-party candidate are taken away from whichever major party is closer to the third-party candidate.

      • Dr. Steve
        December 24, 2015, 11:26 am | # | Reply

        IN my “fantasy election 2016” Trump breaks ranks and splits the republican vote while Sanders breaks ranks to split the democratic vote and we have a rollicking four-way contest.

        • Robert Nowall
          December 24, 2015, 3:39 pm | # | Reply

          Does your fantasy also include Bernie Sanders running as an independent and siphoning off the radical votes from the liberals?

      • SVGeezer
        December 24, 2015, 11:28 am | # | Reply

        What candidate is “closer” to? (That is something I don’t want to think about. Can’t hear you! La La La)

        • SVGeezer
          December 24, 2015, 11:30 am | # | Reply

          “Closer to” Trump. (Stupid little easy to make error…….)

      • Pygar
        December 24, 2015, 12:18 pm | # | Reply

        No, I haven’t. Sometimes the only thing your vote can express is “start running decent candidates!”

        • oneuniverse2
          December 24, 2015, 1:28 pm | # | Reply

          A) Why would a decent candidate run?, B) Maybe there are decent candidates, but the media makes them look like Machiavellian criminals, C) Maybe the voters are getting what they deserve.

          • Pygar
            December 25, 2015, 12:17 am | #

            1) To try and help.
            2) Of all the candidates, which has employed the most people, and clearly understands the economy and capitalism the best? The one the media is priming us to hate. See above- it’s working. Solved problems generate no news- so you’re right.
            3) By definition, this is always true. Everyone gripes at politicians who take big money; no one, much, votes for underfunded third parties.

          • BrokenEye, The True False Prophet
            December 26, 2015, 10:22 pm | #

            See, there’s your first mistake. Machiavellian criminals are clever and intelligent.

    • Zero
      October 23, 2020, 11:51 pm | # | Reply

      I hope you hold yourself personally responsible.

  6. oneuniverse2
    December 24, 2015, 1:56 am | # | Reply

    Well, we know at least *one* webcomic that will be censored when The Donald gets into the White House.

  7. Barking Monkey
    December 24, 2015, 6:23 am | # | Reply

    “Look at that Apocalypse! Best one ever – it’s true. I’ve heard people saying I’m the greatest destroyer of societies ever. Everyone’s saying it, my friend.” -Trumpocalypse-

  8. Richard VanHouten
    December 24, 2015, 7:45 am | # | Reply

    How do we know President Trump was Donald? It might hae been Ivana… or some other, lesser known Trump.

    • Robert Nowall
      December 24, 2015, 9:11 am | # | Reply

      Or President Fancy could have the last name “Trump”…

      • GammarayCanon
        December 24, 2015, 10:02 am | # | Reply

        Her last name is Captain’s Fancy, actually.

        • davidbreslin101
          December 24, 2015, 1:47 pm | # | Reply

          You’ve got me thinking about super battle-dog naming conventions. Her full name is given as “Captain’s Fancy Valentine Sweetheart” but she goes by “Sweetheart.” Is this formal (‘cos Sweetheart is the surname) or informal (because the family name comes first, Japanese style)?

          • Rick
            December 24, 2015, 2:16 pm | #

            AKC rules, breeding kennel name (surname) goes first. But does that apply in Canada?

          • Robert Nowall
            December 24, 2015, 3:41 pm | #

            Is the name given last the surname in these cases? ‘Cause the Spanish and Latin American traditions add some names after. I don’t know the rules of naming in dog breeding…only that they’re often given what they call a “family and fireside” name…

          • wizard4169
            July 10, 2021, 9:41 am | #

            Just “Sweetheart” is informal. In more formal situations, we’ve heard her addressed as “Officer Fancy”. I’m really not sure how that works.

    • BrokenEye, The True False Prophet
      December 26, 2015, 10:27 pm | # | Reply

      Curse you, 19th century mountaineer P.B. Van Trump!

      • demigod163
        August 29, 2017, 1:32 am | # | Reply

        Curse you, 17th-century chemist Robert B- wait, wrong comic.

  9. theysabet
    December 24, 2015, 7:51 am | # | Reply

    “President Trump”: the most gut-wrenchingly terrifying phrase this comic has ever, ever said. **hides under bed**

    • AimlessPolymath
      November 10, 2016, 12:09 pm | # | Reply

      Oh dear.

      • Zero
        October 23, 2020, 11:52 pm | # | Reply

        You ain’t seen nothin’ yet… unfortunately.

        • Oh crud
          January 14, 2022, 11:53 pm | # | Reply

          … neither have you. And I shudder to imagine what *I* haven’t seen yet

  10. Robert Nowall
    December 24, 2015, 9:15 am | # | Reply

    Y’know, in all the alternate universe stories I see, a lot of ’em don’t have the natural disasters that would happen whatever the shaved apes are doing on the surface of the planet. Earthquakes would still happen when they do, hurricanes too. Floods, well, maybe, depending on where the damn dams are put…

    Resources, too. If the Confederates won the Civil War, there would still be big oil under the ground in Texas.

    • DanD
      December 24, 2015, 10:33 am | # | Reply

      Earthquakes, sure. Not much we’re doing affects that except on a small local scale (fracking may, at least one injected water hydrothermal plant apparently did). Tsunamis are mostly earthquake related, so those probably stay roughly the same, although the damage is going to be based on development patterns, building codes, and shoreline conditions.

      Most of the others are weather related, and that’s a chaotic enough system that you can’t map one to one. Yeah, there would still be hurricanes, tornados and floods, but they’re not going to map.

      And there may still be oil in Texas, but if west Texas is sitting under the border between the USA and CSA, it might never be discovered, or at least developed.

      • Robert Nowall
        December 24, 2015, 1:43 pm | # | Reply

        Depends on how far the Industrial Revolution drives it.

      • Rick
        December 24, 2015, 2:23 pm | # | Reply

        Fracking causes many earthquakes, especially in Oklahoma

        • Robert Nowall
          December 24, 2015, 3:31 pm | # | Reply

          The science in that is less settled than the global warming scam.

          • Thenardyr
            December 24, 2015, 5:15 pm | #

            Scam? Can I interest you in some Florida coastline suffering from “nuisance flooding,” sir? Polar bear hunting trips aboard ice breakers perhaps?

          • Rick
            December 24, 2015, 8:11 pm | #

            Well if the almost daily Oklahoma earthquakes aren’t from fracking, then there is something wrong in the middle of the North American Plate and we are probably in for some of that “2012” apocalyptic kind of mess as the plate cracks open to provide vast amounts of ocean front property along the Mississippi.

          • Pygar
            December 25, 2015, 12:21 am | #

            Perhaps he meant AGW, not GW. The media works *so* hard to push the idea they are synonymous…

          • Robert Nowall
            December 25, 2015, 6:59 am | #

            I like to put it this way. I’ve lived and observed the same stretch of Florida coastline for more than thirty years, going closer to forty now, particularly one stretch of tidal-effected seawall. At times the water’s been high, over the wall…at times it’s been low, enough to go out into the canal and stand on the sandbars…but it’s always come back to close to the same position, a foot or two below the top of the wall.

            If you believe the global warming bit, the water should be and should have stayed at a much higher level. So who am I to believe, my own eyes or Al Gore?

          • Jon
            December 25, 2015, 10:14 am | #

            @Robert Newell – Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1321/

  11. Dr. Steve
    December 24, 2015, 11:21 am | # | Reply

    So, here, Trump ousted President Palin?

    • oneuniverse2
      December 24, 2015, 1:29 pm | # | Reply

      He was the Veep at the time, so yes, he did.

      • theysabet
        December 24, 2015, 3:53 pm | # | Reply

        **shudders** I hope like *crazy* that the me that lives in this reality did the intelligent thing and moved to Canada as soon as the election results were in. Canada has lots of good things: hot Mounties, scientists who take the global warming “scam” (hah) seriously, a really nice Prime Minister who looks like a Byronic poet, beautiful lands, good healthcare, far better treatment of the indigenous peoples, and probably werewolves (made the old-fashioned way!)

        • mickeyjf
          December 24, 2015, 4:12 pm | # | Reply

          Some of us moved to Canada *Before* the election.

        • Thenardyr
          December 24, 2015, 5:06 pm | # | Reply

          I suspect that if Trump is the Republican candidate then Canada will close their borders. Polite mounties will turn us away, saying “sorry folks, you need to clean up your mess.” Besides, what do you think will happen if most of the reasonable Americans abandon ship? We don’t want World War III to happen.

          • BrokenEye, The True False Prophet
            December 26, 2015, 10:31 pm | #

            There’s already legislation in the works to ban him from entering the United Kingdom

          • Zero
            October 23, 2020, 11:53 pm | #

            I come from the future to tell you that Canada has, in fact, closed its US borders.

        • WJS
          July 27, 2019, 5:53 pm | # | Reply

          I wonder if you are enjoying Canada?

  12. zenmom
    December 24, 2015, 4:33 pm | # | Reply

    It’s the bridge! The Colorado Street Bridge!

  13. Treesong
    December 25, 2015, 12:39 pm | # | Reply

    Robert Nowall: Good grief. The sea level rise around Florida over the last thirty years has been about three inches. The IPCC (https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-5-1.html) puts the rate at about 3 mm/yr recently, and rising, with local variations. On the basis of your ultra-precise measurements in one location (‘a foot or two below the top of the wall’) you conclude that there has been no sea level rise and therefore 99.9% of climate scientists, every major scientific organization in the world, and all the world’s leaders are engaged in a massive scam to raise your taxes.
    No.

  14. Ddurand
    June 23, 2016, 7:14 am | # | Reply

    Trump ? You mean the guy who don’t want to bomb everybody ?

    I understand how that can frighten PC webcomics authors (oops, oxymoron).

    • Jon
      December 24, 2019, 2:52 am | # | Reply

      He seems pretty okay with bombing the Kurds. But do try to keep playing that card.

    • Zero
      October 23, 2020, 11:56 pm | # | Reply

      …you don’t actually know what an “oxymoron” is, do you regular moron?

  15. TheTownsend
    August 29, 2016, 12:25 am | # | Reply

    I made a sound like I’d been punched in the stomach when I read the phrase “President Trump.”

  16. Ashonai
    October 14, 2016, 7:37 am | # | Reply

    This is so much funnier now than it was when I first read it and Trump wasn’t actually in the running. Also more terrifying.

    • Jon
      December 22, 2019, 4:39 pm | # | Reply

      Spoilers from the future: it doesn’t get better.

      • Mister Steel
        July 23, 2020, 7:08 pm | # | Reply

        Spoilers from the further future; when you think it can’t get any worse, it does.

  17. ChasingEternity
    November 14, 2016, 5:49 pm | # | Reply

    Well, this became much more funny as of last week.

    • damoinion
      February 21, 2017, 11:51 pm | # | Reply

      Sad but true…

    • Jon
      December 22, 2019, 4:38 pm | # | Reply

      Right?

  18. The Phule
    November 18, 2016, 7:43 pm | # | Reply

    We’ve got one of those too!

  19. Zana
    November 30, 2016, 12:52 pm | # | Reply

    Oh jeez this strip is a lot less funny and a lot more scary now.

  20. Gemma
    January 20, 2017, 11:37 pm | # | Reply

    :/

  21. ansonfrog
    April 23, 2017, 8:51 pm | # | Reply

    Goddammit.

  22. demigod163
    August 29, 2017, 1:30 am | # | Reply

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  23. Beachfox
    January 27, 2018, 12:43 am | # | Reply

    Ugh. This strip has become darker for all the wrong reasons…

  24. Proxiehunter
    September 4, 2018, 7:28 pm | # | Reply

    Can I get out of their reality?

  25. tjsnider
    December 26, 2018, 4:55 pm | # | Reply

    It’s getting a little meta in here.

  26. MyaApplesauce
    January 24, 2019, 5:18 pm | # | Reply

    Dang. First a reference to the government shutdown, and now this. Can you guys predict the future?

    • WJS
      July 27, 2019, 5:54 pm | # | Reply

      2013 United States federal government shutdown.

  27. The J is Silent
    March 21, 2019, 1:09 pm | # | Reply

    This particular strip just keeps getting worse as it ages.
    What’s something that’s the opposite of fine wine, in that it actually keeps getting measurably worse, no matter how much time goes by?

    • awgiedawgie
      March 21, 2019, 8:45 pm | # | Reply

      Cheese and bread tend to become pretty horrible as they age.

    • Jon
      December 24, 2019, 2:50 am | # | Reply

      It’s not the strip that gets worse. It’s everything else.

  28. haluesen10
    July 12, 2019, 3:04 pm | # | Reply

    Oh my gosh, people commenting on future predicting and unfortunate right things…less than a week ago California had a couple huge earthquakes. All of this is too right, I had to come back and write this.

    • The J is Silent
      July 12, 2019, 3:38 pm | # | Reply

      On the other hand, gambling that there will be an earthquake in California in the near future is usually a pretty safe bet.

  29. WJS
    July 27, 2019, 5:56 pm | # | Reply

    I guess Trump got into politics earlier in the other universe then? I wonder if he won in 2012, 2008, or an earlier election?

    • awgiedawgie
      July 28, 2019, 12:46 am | # | Reply

      Dang, you’ve been busy. Do you have any idea how many comments you’ve left on Skin Horse strips just today? I opened my email tonight and was amazed by how many new Skin Horse comments there were. They weren’t all yours, but most of them were.

  30. jdreyfuss
    January 27, 2020, 3:55 pm | # | Reply

    Truly this is a disturbing universe.

  31. twynethetruth
    July 9, 2020, 7:40 am | # | Reply

    Ahah hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahaha we even have plagues 🙂

  32. Mister Steel
    July 23, 2020, 7:10 pm | # | Reply

    When you realize that you’re in the bad reality.

  33. Prodigal
    November 7, 2020, 4:41 pm | # | Reply

    This one has aged well…

  34. thunderspirit
    March 9, 2021, 1:20 pm | # | Reply

    With the luxury of hindsight, the phrase “President Trump” did not make my blood run any less cold.

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