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2019-01-28

by shaenon on January 28, 2019 at 12:01 am
Chapter: The Iron Man
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  1. Moe Lane
    January 28, 2019, 12:04 am | # | Reply

    I wonder if Tigerlily quite realizes that she more or less qualifies as Tip’s. I mean, whether she gets it in her *bones*.

    • Candace
      January 28, 2019, 2:28 am | # | Reply

      Tigerlily belongs to no one but herself.

      • maarvarq
        January 28, 2019, 4:14 am | # | Reply

        *Sigh* It really annoys me when people wilfully misunderstand the use of “possessive” pronouns-
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possessive#Semantics
        “The relationship expressed by possessive determiners and similar forms is not necessarily one of possession in the strict sense of ownership. In English, strict possession has been found to be expressed in only about 40% of the situations labeled as “possessive” by linguists, a fact which may incline some to prefer the more traditional term “genitive”.[1] The “possessor” may be, for example:

        the person or thing to which the “possessed” stands in the designated relationship (my mother, his wife, your subordinates, our boss);
        …”
        Tip’s girlfriend…

        • M. Alan Thomas II
          January 28, 2019, 4:29 am | # | Reply

          At the same time, someone with Tigerlily’s (assumed) background might very well make the objection in Candace’s comment because that was a not-uncommon independent, feminist reaction to the background actual-possessiveness frequently inherent in such a relationship in a patriarchal culture.

        • Fergus Maximus
          January 28, 2019, 6:29 am | # | Reply

          I parsed it as ‘Tip’s imaginary girlfriend’ …

          • Moe Lane
            January 28, 2019, 12:55 pm | #

            Exactly. She’s certainly not his *actual* girlfriend. 🙂

        • ruggs
          January 28, 2019, 9:34 am | # | Reply

          maar…going into Wikipedia, looking up definitions, and so on, risks implying a negative respect of the other person’s intellect. I know you didn’t intend that; it just risks coming across that way, you know? And, it likely wasn’t intended on your part.

          One of the ways I’d read the reply was, well, an acknowledgement that she is that independent that she’d not acknowledge or see the possibility.

          Tigerlily is a fiercely independent /person/. Is she someone who would consider a fulltime partner status, with anyone? She’s seemed more interested in flings, but there may be strips I’m forgetting. Maybe someone can dig those out. 😀

          Something I haven’t seen mentioned, and that I may be misrembering: there’s some significant intellectual disparity between T and T, that may prevent her from considering that fulltime partner status, even if she did believe in it for herself. I believe that disparity was explored earlier in the strip, alongside Virginia and Arty. Again, I may be misremembering this; if so, someone please speak up.

          Also, what happens when someone Mad is attracted to someone Sane? You’d be living in two worlds; how would that work, if at all, longterm? Would both partners possessing a second power, that of Funk, be unique enough to overcome the differences?

          There are many interpretations, here, and quite a bit of food for thought.

          • ruggs
            January 28, 2019, 9:39 am | #

            Edit: Here we go: http://skin-horse.com/comic/2013-11-06/ and a bit onward.

            That doesn’t involve Tigerlily, so I’d misremembered. Yet: Is Tigerlily on the level of Dr. Lee and Artie? I assume so. If so, where, intellectually, does that place Tip relative to her?

          • darkstarling
            January 28, 2019, 7:40 pm | #

            Mad scientists are smarter than Artie. Dr Lee probably is too, in specialized fields. Artie never struck me as much of an engineer. He’s just got crazy analytical prediction ability.

            I STILL want to see someone beat Artie at strategy by throwing dice.

  2. WuseMajor
    January 28, 2019, 12:12 am | # | Reply

    One of you is randomly rappelling from the ceiling and one of you is so far up denial that you’re officially a resident of the upper kingdom. I think it’s kind of a wash as to who the real sane one is.

    I do kind of wonder if Artie might have any useful advice for them from watching Helen and Dave try to get together. Granted Dr. Lee isn’t a mad scientist, but she does enough evil in general and to Nick in particular, that I can’t help but see some parallels with Helen and Dave’s relationship.

    • Seph
      January 28, 2019, 1:36 am | # | Reply

      A soaking wet resident of the Upper Kingdom, in serious danger of being eaten by crocodiles.

      • Shadowmehr
        January 28, 2019, 8:43 pm | # | Reply

        We are talking about Dr. Virginia “Queen of the Brain Schlorpers” Lee. I’d be more worried for the crocodiles. But yes, your point is eminently valid.

    • darkstarling
      January 28, 2019, 7:29 pm | # | Reply

      I’m stealing that expression.

  3. palenoue
    January 28, 2019, 12:14 am | # | Reply

    Batgirl? Kid has good taste in women.

    • awgiedawgie
      January 28, 2019, 1:01 am | # | Reply

      +1

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/grantbrummett/22087057038/sizes/z/

    • David B Huber
      January 28, 2019, 1:04 am | # | Reply

      +2

    • Jon
      January 28, 2019, 4:57 am | # | Reply

      He never said *which* Batgirl, though…

      … but we all know it’s Babs.

      • Robert Loughrey
        January 28, 2019, 1:02 pm | # | Reply

        No one shall ever supplant Yvonne Craig.

        • bergerjacques
          January 28, 2019, 1:34 pm | # | Reply

          The words “EMET” glow brightly across my forehead for no particular reason other than TRUTH has been written here today.

          Waits patiently for the multiple paragraph dissection of the truth behind the Golem in jewish folklore….which will not make Mr. Loughery’s statement any less true.

        • awgiedawgie
          January 28, 2019, 2:11 pm | # | Reply

          It’s an almost criminal shame that many young people have no idea who Yvonne Craig was. She set the bar so high that no Batgirl since has dethroned her.

          • Foradain
            January 28, 2019, 7:32 pm | #

            I liked her as Marta as well. ^_^

      • Darwin Smith
        January 28, 2019, 5:51 pm | # | Reply

        Call me stuck in the 00’s, but I prefer Cas. Just because she was so quiet. It says “I’m a mystery to you”. Plus she had this sweet friendship with Coldcast, and she never stopped believing in him.

    • Thenardyr
      January 28, 2019, 2:23 pm | # | Reply

      As…inspiring as Yvonne Craig was for me, back in the day, I’m pretty sure Nick really prefers his Warrior Goddess:
      http://skin-horse.com/comic/remarkably/

      Keep in mind she already kicked-ass in World of Warcraft *before* the safehouse story arc.

      • awgiedawgie
        January 28, 2019, 7:30 pm | # | Reply

        True, but Nick is going to have to come right out and say so before Virginia will believe it.

  4. Moe Lane
    January 28, 2019, 12:15 am | # | Reply

    Also… Virginia, love you lots, but: unless you put it as “Does your repeated assertion that you wish to become a helicopter again indicate that you do not wish to engage into a sexual relationship with me?” in a comic strip that I somehow missed, then no, you didn’t ask. And, honestly, circumstances are such that you really might – legitimately – have to spell it out like that.

    God. Those two make *me* look socially ept.

    • Owlmirror
      January 28, 2019, 12:36 am | # | Reply

      No, Virginia asked a while back, during the . . . Wow, “My Brother Sam is Dead” chapter. A few years back, real time.

      Begin here: http://skin-horse.com/comic/lavender-to/

      And continue forward a few strips, until you see Nick say (on the phone): “I totally like you Dr. Lee. As, uh, a friend.” (and only think to himself, “My best friend I would so try to bang if I had a schvantz”)

      • awgiedawgie
        January 28, 2019, 12:52 am | # | Reply

        Asking “How do you feel about me?” over the phone years ago is not even close to asking him now that he has the ability to do something about it.

        No, I’m with Moe on this one. Those two make me look socially ept. And believe me, I’m not. They are definitely not the ones to watch to figure out how I should try to get a girl.

        • Moe Lane
          January 28, 2019, 1:15 am | # | Reply

          This. Don’t get me wrong, it’s reasonable to think that you could ask ‘How do you feel about me?’ and then you could expect to get a forthright answer. For anybody but these two. These two having been putting band-aids on their interactions with each other from the very start, one on top of the other — and the day shall come when they need to rip ’em all off. At once.

      • Wesley Vidler
        January 28, 2019, 12:55 am | # | Reply

        Yeah I’d say ‘As a friend’ too, if I thought the relationship was going to be impossible.

      • warpzone32
        January 28, 2019, 1:11 am | # | Reply

        “You know, the kind of friend whose underwear a guy would scope out using the X-ray filter on Camera 3.”

    • darkstarling
      January 28, 2019, 7:37 pm | # | Reply

      Dammit Lee, don’t you realize people lie about their feelings when things get complicated?

      I like ‘socially ept’ but I think it’s supposed to shorten to ‘apt’. Because English is stupid.

  5. K. Iceclaw
    January 28, 2019, 12:17 am | # | Reply

    Ginny casts ‘Deny Reality’. It fizzles.

  6. WuseMajor
    January 28, 2019, 12:28 am | # | Reply

    I feel like panel three from this strip is appropriate here.

    http://skin-horse.com/comic/who-will-just/

    • Candace
      January 28, 2019, 2:36 am | # | Reply

      This.^

  7. Robert Nowall
    January 28, 2019, 12:49 am | # | Reply

    Are cloned bones strong enough to take a good jumping?

    • awgiedawgie
      January 28, 2019, 12:58 am | # | Reply

      The question about Nick is, is he strong enough to give a good jumping? He used to sit in his room playing video games non-stop. That’s not exactly strenuous physical activity. His only strong muscles were in his thumbs. Hopefully Tigerlily’s “enhancements” included stamina.

      • warpzone32
        January 28, 2019, 1:20 am | # | Reply

        Again, that invention already exists.

        It’s called a strap-on.

      • Rimwolf
        January 28, 2019, 8:13 am | # | Reply

        As several folks noted, he was looking surprisingly buff when he first woke up.

  8. David B Huber
    January 28, 2019, 1:03 am | # | Reply

    I notice Dr. Lee did not protest that *she* doesn’t think of Nick that way!

    But she’s determined to demonstrate her love by setting Nick free…

    • Mental Mouse
      January 29, 2019, 8:22 am | # | Reply

      I do like Tigerlily’s response. You can practically hear her rolling her eyes.

  9. Alphaghoul
    January 28, 2019, 1:25 am | # | Reply

    Man, how often has this comic put into question the possibility on whether Dr. Lee counts as a Mad Scientist?

    • Altarboy
      January 28, 2019, 1:58 am | # | Reply

      I would like to see her “break through”, it would be terrifying and brilliant.

  10. Roamer
    January 28, 2019, 3:51 am | # | Reply

    If she isn’t mad, she’s at least mad-adjacent. Of course, Anasigma may have been damping her down – literally forcing her to remain sane – while she was working for them, so a breakthrough may be in order. I don’t think Nick will mind either way, truly.

    • Paula Goodwin
      January 28, 2019, 7:16 am | # | Reply

      I see no trilobite broach.

      • awgiedawgie
        January 28, 2019, 8:51 am | # | Reply

        She wouldn’t need a broach from a different universe, when there was a solution right here in this one. Helen’s first attempt at a Cure was only temporary. She had to keep slipping it into Clone-Dave’s coffee to keep him sane.

        Of course, my theory has long been that she already broke through at a very young age – so young that she didn’t know what had happened. And her parents taught her to act “normal”, and never let her know that she was Mad. So she can understand Mad science creations so easily because she’s always been Mad, but she claims to be sane because she thinks she is.

        • David B Huber
          January 28, 2019, 9:30 am | # | Reply

          I hope you’re right, because the alternative would yield a Mad surpassing Agatha Heterodyne!

          • darkstarling
            January 28, 2019, 7:41 pm | #

            Recent revelations about Albia spring to mind…

        • Moe Lane
          January 28, 2019, 12:56 pm | # | Reply

          It’s a good theory, but how is she reverse-engineering the Mad Science stuff, then?

          • Sheik
            January 28, 2019, 1:39 pm | #

            Simple
            A) She’s already a genius.
            and
            B) Her Madness is centered on analysis of Mad Science.
            That particular form of Madness would only manifest itself when she’s confronted with something that seems to defy mundane reality. And her genius is what’s needed to tell the two apart.

  11. Jon
    January 28, 2019, 4:58 am | # | Reply

    Thank you, Tigerlily, for providing some needed perspective.

  12. Mental Mouse
    January 28, 2019, 8:22 am | # | Reply

    Right, so Dr. Lee is getting advice from a madwoman (who’s more sensible than she is). And the plot is veering into “DAMMIT WHY CAN’T PEOPLE TALK TO EACH OTHER!” territory. Not that I haven’t been guilty of that IRL…. 🙁

    • darkstarling
      January 28, 2019, 7:42 pm | # | Reply

      To be fair, this IS people just talking to each other.

      In my experience, the reason why people can’t just talk to each other is that one or both don’t want to risk anything changing.

  13. Dr. Steve
    January 28, 2019, 8:33 am | # | Reply

    There is so much sexual tension, they’ve renamed it sexual elevension.

    • awgiedawgie
      January 28, 2019, 8:54 am | # | Reply

      That pun is so terrible that it deserves a courtesy laugh and a golf clap.

      • Sheik
        January 28, 2019, 1:43 pm | # | Reply

        I’d volunteer a Lurch groan.

    • Robert Nowall
      January 28, 2019, 10:19 am | # | Reply

      Thank you, Victor Borge.

    • Moe Lane
      January 28, 2019, 1:00 pm | # | Reply

      So I guess you’re saying, then, is that the mental pressure on both is getting to the point where they both might need a spinal tap?

  14. Prester Fred
    January 28, 2019, 12:32 pm | # | Reply

    Honey, the only reason Batgirl is his imaginary girlfriend is that you’re real.

    • arqyx
      January 28, 2019, 1:00 pm | # | Reply

      Whatya bet his Batgirl is Ginny?

  15. ruggs
    January 28, 2019, 1:27 pm | # | Reply

    Just wonderin’ why this isn’y linked on the right-hand side? https://nickzerhakker.wordpress.com/

    • awgiedawgie
      January 28, 2019, 2:16 pm | # | Reply

      Same reason this isn’t:
      https://zerhakker.livejournal.com/

      I don’t know what that reason is, but I’d bet it’s the same reason.

      • ruggs
        January 28, 2019, 4:28 pm | # | Reply

        Oh, yeah. Linking to just one would do it, since they point to eachother. The main reason that springs to mind is that not listing it makes it feel a little more real. On the other hand, if you don’t know about it–it’s missing a lot of really, really wonderful content.

        I *love* how the authors type Nik’s entries. Very character illustrative. The tags are just zomg.

        I guess it’s a trade-off. The thought of folks missing out though, makes me sad–/because/ it’s so awesome. Does that make sense?

        • Foradain
          January 28, 2019, 7:45 pm | # | Reply

          Unfortunately, there’s no year on the wordpress blog dates, but IIRC it was all in 2013. Too bad; I’d have liked to continue reading that. ^_^

          • awgiedawgie
            January 28, 2019, 7:49 pm | #

            If you hover over the date, it shows the full date. The final entry was Nov 27, 2014.

      • Mental Mouse
        January 29, 2019, 7:21 am | # | Reply

        Speaking of which, perhaps Nick should be exporting his LiveJournal to Dreamwidth? I dunno if the Russians of his world are pulling the same hijinx as in ours, but….

    • Robert Nowall
      January 28, 2019, 2:50 pm | # | Reply

      Don’t know why it’s not linked here, but wanted to say if Nick was looking for the Ding Darling Wildlife Refuge around Miami, he was on the exact opposite coast.

  16. Robert Nowall
    January 28, 2019, 3:18 pm | # | Reply

    Imaginary girlfriends
    Never cost a dime.
    With all the real ones breaking their dates,
    They’re on time.
    It’s a hormone pleasure,
    Neuroendocrine.
    Someone to do the video gaming routine.
    Imaginary girlfriend, she’s fine, every time.
    Imaginary girlfriends, oh yeah.

    When great potential girlfriends
    Cause some disconcert.
    And screaming fear and terror ruin a flirt.
    Imagination won’t hurt.
    Imaginary girlfriend, imaginary girlfriend,
    They’re great, procreate.

    Imaginary girlfriends, costumed fantasies,
    Looking all right,
    In costumes skin-tight when you read.
    Adventure-action guaranteed.
    Imaginary girlfriend, imaginary girlfriend,
    They’re great, never late,
    Our imaginary girlfriends,
    They’re great, procreate.

    —from “Imaginary Lover,” the Atlanta Rhythm Section. (Play it on fast speed and it sounds like Fleetwood Mac.)

  17. D. Walker
    January 28, 2019, 7:48 pm | # | Reply

    I’ve had to train myself to stop saying “I’m sorry” when someone tells me they’ve had some misfortune, and instead say “I’m sorry to hear that”, because no matter how many times I explained “Yeah, no – I know it’s not my fault, I’m just offering my condolences”, they still just couldn’t grok that fact, even with very close friends and family.

    • D. Walker
      January 28, 2019, 7:49 pm | # | Reply

      This was supposed to be in reply to maarvarq’s comment, but I guess something screwed up somewhere…

    • awgiedawgie
      January 28, 2019, 8:11 pm | # | Reply

      Apparently they don’t realize that one of the principal synonyms for “sorry” is “sympathetic”. It comes from the same root as “sorrow”. The word “sorry” has been used as an apology for less than 200 years.

      Frankly, their misunderstanding of my simple “I’m sorry” would make me feel slightly less sympathetic. And depending on how much less, I might be tempted to say “You know what? I’m not sorry any more.”

      • D. Walker
        January 28, 2019, 10:11 pm | # | Reply

        I just like to copy the one xkcd comic.

        “So I don’t know if anyone told you, but Fred was in a car crash.”
        “Oh, that’s terrible! I’m so sorry.”
        “Don’t be sorry – it’s not your fault.”
        “It’s nice of you to say that, but I know what I did.”
        “Wait, what?”

        • awgiedawgie
          January 29, 2019, 8:57 am | # | Reply

          ROFL!

    • Darkstarling
      January 29, 2019, 5:21 am | # | Reply

      Seriously! It’s so annoying.

  18. Shadowmehr
    January 28, 2019, 8:47 pm | # | Reply

    Okay, we are veering from dim lights and mood music and going straight into “clonk their skulls together like coconuts” territory.

  19. maarvarq
    August 5, 2021, 8:32 am | # | Reply

    Also, Ginny Blushes #32, which I also missed the first time through.
    #31 http://skin-horse.com/comic/the-ropes/
    1-30 listed in the comments here http://skin-horse.com/comic/it-was-not/

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