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2018-03-10

by shaenon on March 10, 2018 at 12:01 am
Chapter: The Hundred Dresses
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  1. Shikome Kido Mi
    March 10, 2018, 12:22 am | # | Reply

    Treyf?

    • Martin Padilla
      March 10, 2018, 12:25 am | # | Reply

      “(of food) not satisfying the requirements of Jewish law.(of food) not satisfying the requirements of Jewish law.”

      • Martin Padilla
        March 10, 2018, 12:26 am | # | Reply

        Apologies, I don’t know why that repeated itself.

        • efogoto
          March 10, 2018, 12:30 am | # | Reply

          No worries, it’s just the echo in here. No worries, it’s just the echo in here.

      • Donald Goldin
        March 10, 2018, 2:38 am | # | Reply

        This raises the question: is there Kosher jet fuel?

        • Rick
          March 10, 2018, 2:44 am | # | Reply

          Contrary to popular belief, most oil deposits aren’t from dead dinosaurs, but are now believed to the decayed remains of ancient plant life.

          • Nix
            March 11, 2018, 3:59 pm | #

            Yeah, but those plants all grew together, or at least were *buried* together for 300 million years or so. That probably makes them treyf, unless we can give convincing evidence for the existence of sentients farming the Carboniferous megaforests 150 million years before the dinosaurs. (It would seem that such a long period of storage would fall foul of the “unhealthy” provisions, too.)

        • iwn
          March 10, 2018, 9:41 pm | # | Reply

          Also regardless of that, when something becomes sufficiently different it’s considered to be a “davar chadash” (New Thing) in terms of Kashrut law, which I don’t know the details but probably applies here? — so ANY jet fuel would be kosher, probably.

          • jdreyfuss
            January 31, 2020, 12:35 pm | #

            I was gonna say it’s probably too attenuated from the original matter to make a difference. Kind of like how (I think) all brandy can be kosher, even if the base vintage isn’t. Grain based liquors still aren’t KFP though, so it doesn’t always apply.

        • D. Walker
          March 11, 2018, 6:40 am | # | Reply

          Treyf jet fuel can’t melt kosher steel beams!

    • Rick
      March 10, 2018, 2:40 am | # | Reply

      The unclean animals of Leviticus 11

      • Clifton
        March 10, 2018, 8:41 pm | # | Reply

        It generally means any food that’s not specifically kosher, though.

  2. Trivena
    March 10, 2018, 1:23 am | # | Reply

    The thing is, Nick’s *permanently* jacked in, and he’s probably got special, hardwired modifications for it. Anyone else using the interface has to deal with their own body’s senses constantly trying to override the VR input, as well as a less complete connection. Trying to talk to somebody in person while they’re running the drone at the same time, on top of that, is just *asking* to lose control of it.

    • s854
      March 10, 2018, 2:24 am | # | Reply

      Trivena: Does this mean there is a universe where extracting Sweetheart’s brain is easier than the VR thing with the hat, after all?

      • Trivena
        March 10, 2018, 6:33 am | # | Reply

        Yes, depending on *who* it’s easier for: the operator (in this case, Sweetheart), or whoever’s hooking her up?

        With Unity around, of course, the brain-extraction probably isn’t the best plan…

        • mahlernut
          March 10, 2018, 9:03 am | # | Reply

          And with Dr Lee around, it’s pretty much an inevitability. Unless you’ve got someone keeping a -very- close eye on her.

          • WJS
            August 4, 2019, 9:01 am | #

            To be fair to her, her previous non-consensual brain schlorping has probably all been part of her job. Outside of work, she seems to ask first.

        • Bruce A Munro
          March 10, 2018, 7:41 pm | # | Reply

          Mental image: jar in refrigerator, labelled “SWEETHEART’S BRAIN: DO NOT EAT.”

    • Nix
      March 11, 2018, 3:56 pm | # | Reply

      Quite. He doesn’t eat anything, except perhaps if you consider the plane to really *be* his body, in which case he eats batteries, spare parts, and jet fuel. I suppose his statement that he doesn’t eat treyf remains precisely true, though.

      He himself is definitely treyf, and not just because he’s a human: he has a shell of sorts (the fuselage), he’s got no hooves (though kashrut is silent on the status of wheels)… and if you consider the aircraft a sort of bird, there is definitely no existing tradition of consuming one.

  3. Aevylmar
    March 10, 2018, 1:29 am | # | Reply

    … OK, I’m curious about the actual Rabbinical status of this. If Nick is controlling a remote drone, and the *drone* eats food in violation of Kosher law, is Nick considered to be eating the food? Or is he really just playing with it? After all, it’s not entering *his* mouth…

    • Rick
      March 10, 2018, 2:50 am | # | Reply

      Depends on the meaning of “touching the carcass” in this virtual situation. It’ll probably take centuries for agreement on the interpretation of that.

    • Aevylmar
      March 10, 2018, 4:44 am | # | Reply

      I assume Rabbinic Law already made a decision on whether it’s OK to touch it wearing gloves? And on whether it’s allowed to pick it up with a long stick to move it elsewhere? Those seem relevant.

      • Rick
        March 10, 2018, 5:12 am | # | Reply

        Perhaps

    • dglenn
      March 10, 2018, 6:55 am | # | Reply

      This would fall under marit ayin, wouldn’t it? Or would that apply only if onlookers knew Nick was driving? (Caveat: this is a goy guessing. But it’s something that has come up in conversation with frum friends.)

      • Bruceski
        March 10, 2018, 1:28 pm | # | Reply

        Huh, now I know Hebrew for “don’t tie your shoes in a watermelon patch.”

    • Robert Nowall
      March 10, 2018, 9:22 am | # | Reply

      Does the Talmud have anything to say about eating while in a drone?

      • Shadowmehr
        March 10, 2018, 10:29 am | # | Reply

        I’m fairly sure that was published before the advent of drone technology.

    • mickeyjf
      March 10, 2018, 11:21 am | # | Reply

      Try here:

      https://judaism.stackexchange.com/

    • Bruceski
      March 10, 2018, 1:32 pm | # | Reply

      I think it would center on the nature of the drone link and feedback. If Nick considers it eating, and he does, then it’s eating.

    • Shay Guy
      March 10, 2018, 9:00 pm | # | Reply

      His old LiveJournal and WordPress blogs go into the subject a bit. As I recall, while he can run on both diesel and bioethanol, bioethanol is made from corn and therefore not considered kosher for Passover.

      Of course, Judaism is no stranger to esoteric hypotheticals of halacha.

    • Sir William
      March 11, 2018, 4:06 pm | # | Reply

      That’s the thing though, if you’re looking at “technically” one way or another on things you’re kinda missing the point.
      Spirit of the law vs letter and all that

      • WJS
        August 4, 2019, 9:11 am | # | Reply

        But what even is the spirit of laws on what you can and can’t eat?

  4. Donald Goldin
    March 10, 2018, 2:33 am | # | Reply

    Scintillating may be the best swear yet.

    • awgiedawgie
      March 10, 2018, 3:17 am | # | Reply

      I’m kinda partial to one of his earliest entries — “turtle-chewing lugnuts”.

      • Guesticus
        March 10, 2018, 8:06 am | # | Reply

        Don’t let him anywhere near Sydney Scoville Jr.

        • OneUniverse
          March 10, 2018, 2:23 pm | # | Reply

          Yes, her food goes off the chart.

          • Sir William
            March 11, 2018, 4:08 pm | #

            she’s a vegetarian (mostly)
            Most of what she would eat he would be fine with on ethical grounds
            And I figure without an actual organic tongue to catch fire he’d be more or less ok with her food

            More to the point would be her cursing though

  5. Robert Nowall
    March 10, 2018, 9:20 am | # | Reply

    Don’t let Nick get to you, Tip. Dwell on the things you can do that Nick can’t. One thing in particular.

    • Duth Olec
      March 10, 2018, 10:50 am | # | Reply

      Wear clothi–! Oh, maybe not the best time to mention that…

    • OneUniverse
      March 10, 2018, 2:24 pm | # | Reply

      Or one *person* in particular?

  6. SomeGuy411
    March 10, 2018, 12:00 pm | # | Reply

    I kinda want to see that. Nick would quickly have a much MUCH less tolerant filter, but I still want to see that

  7. SomeGuy411
    March 10, 2018, 12:01 pm | # | Reply

    Hm. this was supposed to be a reply to Guesticus above, and it even said it should have been as much, but posted standalone

  8. Towering Barbarian
    March 10, 2018, 1:00 pm | # | Reply

    One thing to note: Tip’s pulling out of his apathy. ^_^

  9. Clifton
    March 10, 2018, 8:44 pm | # | Reply

    If she were ordering crayfish that would really be a little shellfish.

    • Trivena
      March 10, 2018, 9:41 pm | # | Reply

      You mean oysters. Or pippis, they really are little shellfish.

    • mrinku
      March 10, 2018, 11:45 pm | # | Reply

      Yeah; crayfish might be a bit smaller on average than a lobster, but they’re not exactly small. Also, not strictly speaking shellfish, but crustaceans. Though grouped in that category gastronomically, I guess.

      Mussels. Mussels are a little shellfish.

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