Yeah, but those plants all grew together, or at least were *buried* together for 300 million years or so. That probably makes them treyf, unless we can give convincing evidence for the existence of sentients farming the Carboniferous megaforests 150 million years before the dinosaurs. (It would seem that such a long period of storage would fall foul of the “unhealthy” provisions, too.)
Also regardless of that, when something becomes sufficiently different it’s considered to be a “davar chadash” (New Thing) in terms of Kashrut law, which I don’t know the details but probably applies here? — so ANY jet fuel would be kosher, probably.
I was gonna say it’s probably too attenuated from the original matter to make a difference. Kind of like how (I think) all brandy can be kosher, even if the base vintage isn’t. Grain based liquors still aren’t KFP though, so it doesn’t always apply.
The thing is, Nick’s *permanently* jacked in, and he’s probably got special, hardwired modifications for it. Anyone else using the interface has to deal with their own body’s senses constantly trying to override the VR input, as well as a less complete connection. Trying to talk to somebody in person while they’re running the drone at the same time, on top of that, is just *asking* to lose control of it.
Quite. He doesn’t eat anything, except perhaps if you consider the plane to really *be* his body, in which case he eats batteries, spare parts, and jet fuel. I suppose his statement that he doesn’t eat treyf remains precisely true, though.
He himself is definitely treyf, and not just because he’s a human: he has a shell of sorts (the fuselage), he’s got no hooves (though kashrut is silent on the status of wheels)… and if you consider the aircraft a sort of bird, there is definitely no existing tradition of consuming one.
… OK, I’m curious about the actual Rabbinical status of this. If Nick is controlling a remote drone, and the *drone* eats food in violation of Kosher law, is Nick considered to be eating the food? Or is he really just playing with it? After all, it’s not entering *his* mouth…
I assume Rabbinic Law already made a decision on whether it’s OK to touch it wearing gloves? And on whether it’s allowed to pick it up with a long stick to move it elsewhere? Those seem relevant.
This would fall under marit ayin, wouldn’t it? Or would that apply only if onlookers knew Nick was driving? (Caveat: this is a goy guessing. But it’s something that has come up in conversation with frum friends.)
His old LiveJournal and WordPress blogs go into the subject a bit. As I recall, while he can run on both diesel and bioethanol, bioethanol is made from corn and therefore not considered kosher for Passover.
That’s the thing though, if you’re looking at “technically” one way or another on things you’re kinda missing the point.
Spirit of the law vs letter and all that
she’s a vegetarian (mostly)
Most of what she would eat he would be fine with on ethical grounds
And I figure without an actual organic tongue to catch fire he’d be more or less ok with her food
Yeah; crayfish might be a bit smaller on average than a lobster, but they’re not exactly small. Also, not strictly speaking shellfish, but crustaceans. Though grouped in that category gastronomically, I guess.
Treyf?
“(of food) not satisfying the requirements of Jewish law.(of food) not satisfying the requirements of Jewish law.”
Apologies, I don’t know why that repeated itself.
No worries, it’s just the echo in here. No worries, it’s just the echo in here.
This raises the question: is there Kosher jet fuel?
Contrary to popular belief, most oil deposits aren’t from dead dinosaurs, but are now believed to the decayed remains of ancient plant life.
Yeah, but those plants all grew together, or at least were *buried* together for 300 million years or so. That probably makes them treyf, unless we can give convincing evidence for the existence of sentients farming the Carboniferous megaforests 150 million years before the dinosaurs. (It would seem that such a long period of storage would fall foul of the “unhealthy” provisions, too.)
Also regardless of that, when something becomes sufficiently different it’s considered to be a “davar chadash” (New Thing) in terms of Kashrut law, which I don’t know the details but probably applies here? — so ANY jet fuel would be kosher, probably.
I was gonna say it’s probably too attenuated from the original matter to make a difference. Kind of like how (I think) all brandy can be kosher, even if the base vintage isn’t. Grain based liquors still aren’t KFP though, so it doesn’t always apply.
Treyf jet fuel can’t melt kosher steel beams!
The unclean animals of Leviticus 11
It generally means any food that’s not specifically kosher, though.
The thing is, Nick’s *permanently* jacked in, and he’s probably got special, hardwired modifications for it. Anyone else using the interface has to deal with their own body’s senses constantly trying to override the VR input, as well as a less complete connection. Trying to talk to somebody in person while they’re running the drone at the same time, on top of that, is just *asking* to lose control of it.
Trivena: Does this mean there is a universe where extracting Sweetheart’s brain is easier than the VR thing with the hat, after all?
Yes, depending on *who* it’s easier for: the operator (in this case, Sweetheart), or whoever’s hooking her up?
With Unity around, of course, the brain-extraction probably isn’t the best plan…
And with Dr Lee around, it’s pretty much an inevitability. Unless you’ve got someone keeping a -very- close eye on her.
To be fair to her, her previous non-consensual brain schlorping has probably all been part of her job. Outside of work, she seems to ask first.
Mental image: jar in refrigerator, labelled “SWEETHEART’S BRAIN: DO NOT EAT.”
Quite. He doesn’t eat anything, except perhaps if you consider the plane to really *be* his body, in which case he eats batteries, spare parts, and jet fuel. I suppose his statement that he doesn’t eat treyf remains precisely true, though.
He himself is definitely treyf, and not just because he’s a human: he has a shell of sorts (the fuselage), he’s got no hooves (though kashrut is silent on the status of wheels)… and if you consider the aircraft a sort of bird, there is definitely no existing tradition of consuming one.
… OK, I’m curious about the actual Rabbinical status of this. If Nick is controlling a remote drone, and the *drone* eats food in violation of Kosher law, is Nick considered to be eating the food? Or is he really just playing with it? After all, it’s not entering *his* mouth…
Depends on the meaning of “touching the carcass” in this virtual situation. It’ll probably take centuries for agreement on the interpretation of that.
I assume Rabbinic Law already made a decision on whether it’s OK to touch it wearing gloves? And on whether it’s allowed to pick it up with a long stick to move it elsewhere? Those seem relevant.
Perhaps
This would fall under marit ayin, wouldn’t it? Or would that apply only if onlookers knew Nick was driving? (Caveat: this is a goy guessing. But it’s something that has come up in conversation with frum friends.)
Huh, now I know Hebrew for “don’t tie your shoes in a watermelon patch.”
Does the Talmud have anything to say about eating while in a drone?
I’m fairly sure that was published before the advent of drone technology.
Try here:
https://judaism.stackexchange.com/
I think it would center on the nature of the drone link and feedback. If Nick considers it eating, and he does, then it’s eating.
His old LiveJournal and WordPress blogs go into the subject a bit. As I recall, while he can run on both diesel and bioethanol, bioethanol is made from corn and therefore not considered kosher for Passover.
Of course, Judaism is no stranger to esoteric hypotheticals of halacha.
That’s the thing though, if you’re looking at “technically” one way or another on things you’re kinda missing the point.
Spirit of the law vs letter and all that
But what even is the spirit of laws on what you can and can’t eat?
Scintillating may be the best swear yet.
I’m kinda partial to one of his earliest entries — “turtle-chewing lugnuts”.
Don’t let him anywhere near Sydney Scoville Jr.
Yes, her food goes off the chart.
she’s a vegetarian (mostly)
Most of what she would eat he would be fine with on ethical grounds
And I figure without an actual organic tongue to catch fire he’d be more or less ok with her food
More to the point would be her cursing though
Don’t let Nick get to you, Tip. Dwell on the things you can do that Nick can’t. One thing in particular.
Wear clothi–! Oh, maybe not the best time to mention that…
Or one *person* in particular?
I kinda want to see that. Nick would quickly have a much MUCH less tolerant filter, but I still want to see that
Hm. this was supposed to be a reply to Guesticus above, and it even said it should have been as much, but posted standalone
One thing to note: Tip’s pulling out of his apathy. ^_^
If she were ordering crayfish that would really be a little shellfish.
You mean oysters. Or pippis, they really are little shellfish.
Yeah; crayfish might be a bit smaller on average than a lobster, but they’re not exactly small. Also, not strictly speaking shellfish, but crustaceans. Though grouped in that category gastronomically, I guess.
Mussels. Mussels are a little shellfish.