I think Pavane is Ira’s non-human counterpart. Same viewpoint with an opposite orientation. Just like Ira they cover up the “downsides” of their plans without considering the implications.
Ira doesn’t care for nothing, his view is that he’s protecting humanity. He’s convinced its “us or them” between humans and NHS’s, and is willing to do pretty much anything to “win the war.”
People where solidly in the middle of the food chain ten thousand years ago and shot to the top like a tin pot dictator, and thus have the same insecurities, making us liable to attempt eradication of any rivals: We (presumably you,too) humans are unsafe at any speed.
We’ve probably been at the top of the food chain or close to it for at least seventy thousand years, when we first developed bows and arrows. The real current problem is that we are evolved for a hunter-gatherer existence, which does not suit us for living together by the hundreds of millions in cities: civilization is an improvisation always complicated by the fact that our brains are running on Caveman 2.0, 3.0 at best. We haven’t even developed a good Agricultural State Societies operating system (the Organized Religion, Universalized Ethics and other patches were partial solutions at best), let alone one for Technological Civilization.
In any case, that’s kinda irrelevant to what I said, which is about _mad Scientists in this fictional universe_, not the limitations of humans in the so-called “real” world. They seem to be something otherwise normal humans seem capable of developing into, and they can accomplish things constructs are unable of – heck, they’re the _source_ of constructs.
Well, it’s easy to see how a gene for mad science could be evolutionarily beneficial, and if you accept the basic presence of the comic it can probably be caused by random mutation. So mads are still “bound by evolution”, in that they’re just what evolution made them. Someone like Unity, by contrast, could probably never have evolved; therefore she’s *not* bound by evolution.
Yes, but Sweetheart and Unity don’t know that, and if Pavane is aware of Tip’s survival, she hasn’t pointed it out. Instead, she’s trying to rationalize her action. Usually, when people start rationalizing, it’s because they know at some level that they did something wrong.
Good point. As someone else already pointed out – at what point do you go from “human with prosthetics” to “augmented/non-human”?
The same is true here. What part non-human do you have to be to qualify? Quadroon? Octoroon? (no racism intended, unless from the POV of Pavane I guess)
It’s interesting that we’re getting absolutely no new information about Pavane’s motives here: Lovetron is for non-humans only, because humans are the problem they’re trying to escape from, is something she’s been entirely upfront about since this started. And yet, every time she says it, it seems a bit more sinister than the time before, somehow.
The extremes on both sides wind up being exactly the same. I don’t believe Ira and Pavanne are in league with one another. They hate the other because they think they stand on opposite sides glaring at THEM. What Ira and Pavanne don’t notice is that they are standing back-to-back.
It’s a fractious and stress-filled chat session. Pavane launches into digression. Sweetheart wanted to know, did she deliberately throw, but Pavane fails to answer the question.
Wait. Doesn’t one always have choices? That’s a running message through the story. So here we have Sweetheart and all these other sapients giving up their power of choice by submitting to Pavanne… I sense a rebellion.
There’s no evidence (yet) that any non-human sapients on board have given up their power of choice. They chose to board, and they don’t appear to be enslaved or coerced into anything at this time. Was Pavane apparently trying to withhold information? It looks that way, but that’s not exactly the same thing as removing someone else’s free will.
They boarded the ship and put themselves in Pavanne’s, er, hands. I suppose technically you’re right, any one of them can commit suicide, or at least try.
Not “we didn’t mean to do it”, “you weren’t meant to see us do it”. Yeah, not a lot of ground for trust here.
More and more it feels like Pavanne is just Ira in a bee suit.
Ira’s plan bee?
I would say maybe Pavanne’s Ira’s puppet, but that would be one wicked complicated set of controls and an awful lot of strings!
I think Pavane is Ira’s non-human counterpart. Same viewpoint with an opposite orientation. Just like Ira they cover up the “downsides” of their plans without considering the implications.
You should still do what they say, though, because they know better than you. Really.
I thought HT was Ira’s non-human care-for-nothing-but-self counterpart?
Ira doesn’t care for nothing, his view is that he’s protecting humanity. He’s convinced its “us or them” between humans and NHS’s, and is willing to do pretty much anything to “win the war.”
“I love humanity! It’s people I can’t stand!” —Linus Van Pelt.
Magneto vs Apocalypse (with Gavotte as Professor X)?
Ah, someone is manipulating things!
Possibly the man behind the curtain.
Yeah, sudden tech glitches seem right up Goldbug’s alley.
Reynard? Baron Mistycorn? Gavotte?
Lovelace?
Moustachio has been there from the beginning, And was always at the center
of things.
He is even spring powered, like much of Lovetron technology.
Much like Mr. Green playing the part of Ira, Moustachio could be Gold Bug.
Well, at least she didn’t *say* “among his own kind.” She was just, you know, thinking it.
That makes it ever do much better.
How indeed…is there dissension in the ranks?
“They’re limited by evolution.”
How do we explain Mads then?
People where solidly in the middle of the food chain ten thousand years ago and shot to the top like a tin pot dictator, and thus have the same insecurities, making us liable to attempt eradication of any rivals: We (presumably you,too) humans are unsafe at any speed.
Our nuts aren’t done up tight enough. At any time it’s possible that the wheels will fall off of civilization.
Ug say, fire and pointy sticks best thing since sliced mammoth
“Fire good?” “No, fire bad!”
That was the original flamewar…
“Tastes great!”
We’ve probably been at the top of the food chain or close to it for at least seventy thousand years, when we first developed bows and arrows. The real current problem is that we are evolved for a hunter-gatherer existence, which does not suit us for living together by the hundreds of millions in cities: civilization is an improvisation always complicated by the fact that our brains are running on Caveman 2.0, 3.0 at best. We haven’t even developed a good Agricultural State Societies operating system (the Organized Religion, Universalized Ethics and other patches were partial solutions at best), let alone one for Technological Civilization.
In any case, that’s kinda irrelevant to what I said, which is about _mad Scientists in this fictional universe_, not the limitations of humans in the so-called “real” world. They seem to be something otherwise normal humans seem capable of developing into, and they can accomplish things constructs are unable of – heck, they’re the _source_ of constructs.
I see what you did there.
Agricultural State Societies
You mean SK isn’t real?!
Both Ira and Gavotte took notice of Mads creating new life “just because they could”. Ira considered it hubris, Gavotte enchanting.
Even in our reality we have experience relating to NHS. We call them “takoyaki”.
We do?
Well, it’s easy to see how a gene for mad science could be evolutionarily beneficial, and if you accept the basic presence of the comic it can probably be caused by random mutation. So mads are still “bound by evolution”, in that they’re just what evolution made them. Someone like Unity, by contrast, could probably never have evolved; therefore she’s *not* bound by evolution.
I would assume that like the hamsters, Pavane considered the instability of Madness to outweigh any potential benefits.
Poor Unity. Left behind, she couldn’t get to the bottom of the fundamental question.
You could even say her hinds were quartered
She worked her ass off too.
Took a lot of cheek to say that.
Come now, gentlemen, let us not make her the butt of all these jokes.
Behind you all the way……motto of the Procrastinator’s Club of America (really)
I thought about joining that, but I put it off.
Paying your dues on time can be grounds for expulsion.
ah, unity. We can always count on you to bring quirky irelevancy to the situation
Any antagonist that starts a sentence with “Trust me”…DON’T. And yes, while Pavanne isn’t currently a villian, she checks every box for an antag.
That kinda happened with Artie at the end of “Narbonic.”
Of course we’ve seen it from the other side and Tip seems all right.
He was only mussed up when he landed. Sexily so, even.
Yes, but Sweetheart and Unity don’t know that, and if Pavane is aware of Tip’s survival, she hasn’t pointed it out. Instead, she’s trying to rationalize her action. Usually, when people start rationalizing, it’s because they know at some level that they did something wrong.
I mean arguably, Tip is part werewolf
Good point. As someone else already pointed out – at what point do you go from “human with prosthetics” to “augmented/non-human”?
The same is true here. What part non-human do you have to be to qualify? Quadroon? Octoroon? (no racism intended, unless from the POV of Pavane I guess)
It’s interesting that we’re getting absolutely no new information about Pavane’s motives here: Lovetron is for non-humans only, because humans are the problem they’re trying to escape from, is something she’s been entirely upfront about since this started. And yet, every time she says it, it seems a bit more sinister than the time before, somehow.
I mean, yes, okay, this time it’s because she’s saying it after dropping a human from a great height.
A human who has risked life and limb multiple times to rescue nonhuman sapients from harm, while Pavane was busy funking off on Planet Lovetron.
The extremes on both sides wind up being exactly the same. I don’t believe Ira and Pavanne are in league with one another. They hate the other because they think they stand on opposite sides glaring at THEM. What Ira and Pavanne don’t notice is that they are standing back-to-back.
Horseshoe theory is a
wonderfulterrible thing.It’s a fractious and stress-filled chat session. Pavane launches into digression. Sweetheart wanted to know, did she deliberately throw, but Pavane fails to answer the question.
Wait. Doesn’t one always have choices? That’s a running message through the story. So here we have Sweetheart and all these other sapients giving up their power of choice by submitting to Pavanne… I sense a rebellion.
There’s no evidence (yet) that any non-human sapients on board have given up their power of choice. They chose to board, and they don’t appear to be enslaved or coerced into anything at this time. Was Pavane apparently trying to withhold information? It looks that way, but that’s not exactly the same thing as removing someone else’s free will.
They boarded the ship and put themselves in Pavanne’s, er, hands. I suppose technically you’re right, any one of them can commit suicide, or at least try.